CFL futures

[powerz]

AFL & KC interested in your guys views I know you like the CFL....any other guys out there feel free to chime in!

Edmonton Over 7.5 wins -115 3* - Eskimos will be much improved this year. Jason Maas back in Back up role and Offensive line another year older. Eskimos have to play BC 4X but that is okay b/c they played them tough last year - losing both games in BC in the 4th Quarter one of the games on the last play of the game. I also expect CGY and SASK to have down years and Edmonton to finish at least back in 3rd in if not second in the West.


Bombers to win the East +250 1* - I really like this bet, Glenn will have a another year as he is playing for a contract. That defense will be good again, hopefully they figure out the special teams. But really this is a bet against the rest of the EAST.

Montreal will be bad - HC who has never coached in the CFL and has been a career assistant in the States. An old QB who is on the down side and no credible back ups - Long season for ALS fans

Hamilton should be better but they are not in Winnipegs league yet _ I would not be surprised to see them finish ahead of Toronto how ever....

Toronto - Have you ever seen an assistant get promoted to HC on the same team and have success? the signing of Vander-jerk is just another sign that the argos have no clue.....

Feel free to chime in with your own predictions!

 

[PassTheBuck]

Mulling over a few futures... comments welcome/needed.


Toronto u12.5 wins

BC o12.5 wins

BC to win Grey Cup +350

Montreal o5.5 wins (just looks wayy too low -- trap?)

 

[AFLGuru]

See, I think Toronto is a 14 win team this year. I just don't see who's stopping them in the East. Winnipeg is absolutely their only competitor, and I just don't trust that Winnipeg can get it done. I think the West is FAR more competitve than the East is (I think that's a duh statement), and Toronto should feast on the crappy competition.

If ANYTHING happens to Glenn, Winnipeg's season is over. There isn't one guy that Toronto could lose that will end their year. If this team was sticking around with guys like ERIC CROUCH and ROCKY BUTLER at QB, I can only imagine what they can do with a real QB.

 

[AFLGuru]

Oh, and FWIW... If I had to handicap it all right now...

Toronto
Winnipeg
Montreal
Hamilton

BC
Calgary
Saskatchewan
Edmonton (crossing over)

 

[PassTheBuck]

14-4 is extremely hard to achieve when you bring in so many new faces. Personally, I really don't see where David Boston will fit in or if he has the motivation to excell in the CFL. Sure the guy is a beast, and a huge target, but where do you play him? I guess he will be a slotback? Even if he does show to be a load, what's to stop teams from bringing in extra DBs? The Toronto running game is as confusing as last year, except they don't have a billion backup RBs anymore... just a couple. Joseph's legs won't make as big a difference as people think. Damon Allen, despite the age, could always run, so teams were always prepared for that option. Add to this the offensive line is one of the weaker in the league, and I can see Joseph/Bishop running for their lives a lot this year. With a lack of running game or solid blocking back, there is little to stop teams from selling out on the blitz.

I do agree with Edmonton crossing over. It will be a battle, but I think they can prevail.

 

[AFLGuru]

I don't think it's his legs that necessarily make the difference for Joseph.

KJ does two things for Toronto that they haven't had in a years.

1) He's a proven winner. He just led his team to a Grey Cup victory. Yeah, Damon Allen is a winner, don't get me wrong with that... but it's been MANY years since he's been successful and upright for a full season.

2) It gives Toronto the ability to really keep depth at QB. For the last three years, when DA went down, Toronto wasn't ever scoring more than 17 pts in a game. Hell, I remember some of their over/unders in the MID 30s not even coming remotely close to that mark with guys like Rocky Butler and Eric Crouch under centre. At least now if anything happens to KJ, you have a definitive #2 option in Bishop.

Like I said before, there isn't another team in the East with that luxury. If Glenn, Calvillo, or Printers go down, their respective teams are absolutely finished.

 

[powerz]

I don't think it's his legs that necessarily make the difference for Joseph.

KJ does two things for Toronto that they haven't had in a years.

1) He's a proven winner. He just led his team to a Grey Cup victory. Yeah, Damon Allen is a winner, don't get me wrong with that... but it's been MANY years since he's been successful and upright for a full season.

2) It gives Toronto the ability to really keep depth at QB. For the last three years, when DA went down, Toronto wasn't ever scoring more than 17 pts in a game. Hell, I remember some of their over/unders in the MID 30s not even coming remotely close to that mark with guys like Rocky Butler and Eric Crouch under centre. At least now if anything happens to KJ, you have a definitive #2 option in Bishop.

Like I said before, there isn't another team in the East with that luxury. If Glenn, Calvillo, or Printers go down, their respective teams are absolutely finished.

AFL - I like richie williams in hamilton - I thnk the ticats will be better than you give them credit for.

The argos plan of recycling old nfl veterans has never really paid off on the feild it may sell tickets but in the cfl you need to get the kids early hope they don't look south too longingly and grow with you.

I think you maybe over estimating Kerry Joesph and giving him too much credit for winning the grey cup last year. That was Kent austin 80% and kerry joesph's legs 20%. When plays break down he does have great scrambling ability - but he will have to learn yet another offensive scheme.

I just think Toronto will be a great collection of atheletes, but how good a team will they be? For the last 2 years the defence was sniping at the offence for not being very good now you put the def Co-ord in charge of the whole team?

Buck - You homer! haha lol - its true though the lions will be beasts in the west with 3 healthy Qbs. Watch out for Rolly Lambala as well they are saying he is Millington/lumsden type FB (canadian) who runs down hill!

 

[AFLGuru]

Kent Austin wasn't doing Toronto any good as their offensive coordinator a couple years ago...

I still don't believe that the old NFL guys are what you need to look out for with Toronto. The core of their receivers are still back with Bruce, Ceutoute, Miles, etc., and the defense is still largely in tact. The QB position means so much, and Toronto hasn't had real play there in years and still been successful that it makes it really hard to NOT like this team.

 

[PassTheBuck]

Kent Austin wasn't doing Toronto any good as their offensive coordinator a couple years ago...

I still don't believe that the old NFL guys are what you need to look out for with Toronto. The core of their receivers are still back with Bruce, Ceutoute, Miles, etc., and the defense is still largely in tact. The QB position means so much, and Toronto hasn't had real play there in years and still been successful that it makes it really hard to NOT like this team.

Tony Miles is in Hamilton.

Also, Rich Stubler is the new head coach, replacing IMO the best coach in the league. Pinball has got to be the most beloved coach in the CFL over the last 5 years, and now he's replaced by a guy who may not instill as much energy and confidence in his players.

 

[caseymcgillis]

i think toronto wins the east but i dont think they go to the grey cup. i think that goes to winnipeg who return every significant starter from last year and are hungry after the horrible luck of glenn going down last year. i am a rider fan and i will even admit the bombers got hosed big time.

 

[AFLGuru]

Sorry, I meant Andre Talbot, not Tony Miles as a returning WR.

 

[KingdomCome]

AFL & KC interested in your guys views I know you like the CFL....any other guys out there feel free to chime in!

Edmonton Over 7.5 wins -115 3* - Eskimos will be much improved this year. Jason Maas back in Back up role and Offensive line another year older. Eskimos have to play BC 4X but that is okay b/c they played them tough last year - losing both games in BC in the 4th Quarter one of the games on the last play of the game. I also expect CGY and SASK to have down years and Edmonton to finish at least back in 3rd in if not second in the West.


Bombers to win the East +250 1* - I really like this bet, Glenn will have a another year as he is playing for a contract. That defense will be good again, hopefully they figure out the special teams. But really this is a bet against the rest of the EAST.

Montreal will be bad - HC who has never coached in the CFL and has been a career assistant in the States. An old QB who is on the down side and no credible back ups - Long season for ALS fans

Hamilton should be better but they are not in Winnipegs league yet _ I would not be surprised to see them finish ahead of Toronto how ever....

Toronto - Have you ever seen an assistant get promoted to HC on the same team and have success? the signing of Vander-jerk is just another sign that the argos have no clue.....

Feel free to chime in with your own predictions!

Powerz, Edmonton's problem was mainly on defense. They could not stop anyone and put a ton of pressure on Ray to score. Maas has gone down hill since he moved over to Hamilton but this team will be at the bottom of the West. This does not mean by any means they cannot win 8 games. I think the number is right and you have yourself a 50/50 bet. Thing about these season game total win futures, you normally have a hedge option last couple of games of the season unless they are trending way ahead or behind schedule for your total. I think there is small value on the Bombers, they are solid on both sides of the ball and will be in every game they play this season, especially at home where wind plays a huge factor late in the season. They are a run first with Roberts opening up the air game for Glenn and Stegall. Good luck this season, we are sure getting the convos started and it is internally hyping me for the season. :toast:

 

[powerz]

King - thanks for the feedback - I am hoping for better road play out of the eskimos as well...


I little tidbit picked up off a radio interview with Dave dickenson today..


He said the stamps were throwing the ball more in camp than he is use to...

 

[AFLGuru]

See, throwing the ball too much was what pissed off Joffrey Reynolds last year... so why is Calgary trying to piss him off again? The dude is one of the top 2 backs in the CFL. Give him the damn ball. Keep the interior linebackers honest for a tad longer and let Copeland and Lewis find space in the middle of the field. That's when I always thought their offense was at their best... well, that and when Smilin' Hank was running around like a chicken with his head cut off.

 

[PassTheBuck]

See, throwing the ball too much was what pissed off Joffrey Reynolds last year... so why is Calgary trying to piss him off again? The dude is one of the top 2 backs in the CFL. Give him the damn ball. Keep the interior linebackers honest for a tad longer and let Copeland and Lewis find space in the middle of the field. That's when I always thought their offense was at their best... well, that and when Smilin' Hank was running around like a chicken with his head cut off.

I'll say it now... Burris won't finish the year as the starter. That guy just takes way too many risks for his and the team's own good. Dickenson will take over. How do the Stamps expect to contend when they have not addressed any of their defensive problems? Sure, they got Armour, who is one of the better defensive players in the league... but then they go ahead and lose Coe and Clark. Their O-line has also been rehauled and is a huge question mark.

 

[powerz]

Ya I think CGY takes a step back before they go forward.

 

[AFLGuru]

Between all of this info, perhaps taking out a flyer on BC to win the West at +140 or so might not be a bad idea.

 

[PassTheBuck]

Between all of this info, perhaps taking out a flyer on BC to win the West at +140 or so might not be a bad idea.

Yah, I'm looking at that as well. My reasoning here is that I can take BC to win o12.5 games at -120, or I can take them to win the West at +140. If they win more than 12 games, I'd say there is a 90% chance they win the West anyways. Since the American teams were abolished, there has not been a 2nd place team in the West to have o12.5 wins.

Now what I really should have done was hammered BC when they were at +175, but stupid me I only got in a half unit on that one.

 

[powerz]

Between all of this info, perhaps taking out a flyer on BC to win the West at +140 or so might not be a bad idea.

That is probably a good idea.


Buck i like your thinking as well O12.5 wins the west for sure.


The lower bowl at BC place is completely sold out with season tickets and they are selling the upper bowl between the 30's. That place is going to be loud again this year, home feild advantage. That is 7-8 wins right there!

 

[Leafsfan34]

If this team was sticking around with guys like ERIC CROUCH and ROCKY BUTLER at QB, I can only imagine what they can do with a real QB.

This says it all right here.